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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 09 Sep 2009, 12:23

I had to wait a few days for my final thanks: Nik - many thanks for your kind present. My wife and I have now sampled (finished) the Belgian Chocolates you gave to us.

They were really lovely and a brilliant way to end the weekend. Thanks very much mate.

Also, that was good defence against the single leg attack.......keep up the aggression training as it will only make you better!

Bet you're still jelaous about the attention I was getting from the chinese waitress though eh?

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 09 Sep 2009, 13:09

Hi Simon,

You're welcome.

The defence wasn't consious, I saw you moving down and the only thing going trough my mind was if I go to the ground I will make sure I am the guy on top.

We went back to the restaurant on Sunday. There were more waitresses and one even smiled at me :-)

Didn't get a chance to ask her number unfortunately. Hopefully next time... When is the next seminar?

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 09 Sep 2009, 13:28

Saw Ian yesterday and he's sporting a lovely shiner. Good job Si, the fiver's in the post!
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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 09 Sep 2009, 20:36

Hi there, just a quick post to say thanks for having us over this weekend. It was a very different experience for us, the talks and demonstrations from the instructors proved very interesting. I especially enjoyed the survival arc lecture; I was thinking of this when I watched the channel 4 documentary on 9/11 on Monday night. The bulletman experience was pretty full on from what little I can remember, there's 20 seconds of my life I cannot account for!

Thanks to all the instructors and Gutter fighters who made us all feel very welcome, and to Dennis who kindly let me tag along for the last day.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 09 Sep 2009, 22:57

Some more happy-snappys....


The lads working on a knife drill during Ola's module.


Paddy introduces hia topic on building a fitness foundation


Giles tries the Indian clubs during Larry's presentation on conditioning equipment

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Thu 10 Sep 2009, 21:39

Thanks Dennis for a great weekend i really had a great time and look forwarfd to next year. It is an honour to train with all the great guys and girls that were at the International. Si and Peter were great it takes great fitness to be able to have that many fights in the suit and keep on going its an honour to be mates with you both. see you all soon Steve Callaghan
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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 11 Sep 2009, 20:55

Just to say i really enjoyed the weekend and found it very interesting. It was a pleasure to train with excellent people and share ideas and learn new stuff. I personally felt like a new lease of life on Monday morning. Big thanks to Si and Pete, u are both imense and true professionals. And a big thank you to Den who organises these events. It was my first one and i will be deffo there next yr.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Mon 14 Sep 2009, 11:05

Here's a photo sequence showing part of the final stress-scenario, as Phil W went through the mill....


After performing a set of "bastards" Phil is held down by Si, then has to escape....


following some more exercises Phil lifts the dummy overhead 20 times....


after grounding and striking the dummy, he next faces Pete in the suit.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 18 Sep 2009, 10:50

7th International Combatives Seminar

Friday 4th of September 2009, the unofficial start of the international, 5pm exactly, fellow instructor at Dunbar self defence and training partner for the weekend Stuart Oliver picks me up on the High St and we begin our journey to Merseyside.
Leaving two days of rain behinds us the four hour drive allows us the time to discuss our expectations and goals for the weekend ahead.
Within half an hour of checking in to our hotel we find ourselves in the hotel bar with six other seminar attendees including fellow Scots Dave McCutcheon and Denis McGee, seminar stalwart Nick Engelen from Belgium, and our Norwegian friend Ola Burhol. These meetings with old friends from previous training events are one of the highlights of the international.

Day one (sat 5th sept 09)

More hand shakes and getting re-acquainted with friends as the admin is taken care of and then we are under way.
Dennis gets the introduction out of the way and starts the ball rolling with an overview of NLP and its application to combative training.

First of all looking at modelling, this is a method that has been widely used in martial arts for as long as there has been martial arts, the concept is to model excellence, a student will pay attention to his instructor as he demonstrates a technique, he will attempt to emulate the instructors movement and body language, placing himself in the instructors position, seeing himself carry out the technique in the same manner.

In today’s multi-media world we have the opportunity to model many great fighters; we can also model different technique from different fighters, such as punching from a champion boxer, kicking from a Thai fighter and ground work from a jujutsu specialist.
Aspects that Dennis looked at for modelling were :-
Skills
Attributes
Attitude
Confidence
For learning we must choose good role models.
For teaching we must remember that we are the role models and although we can demonstrate gross motor skills at full speed complex skills must be broken down and shown at a slower pace.
Moving on to anchoring, Dennis again breaks it down into anchoring for learning and anchoring for teaching.
One point for learning is to develop the ability to “switch onto” a specific mental state, in its extreme this is the ability to move from a completely calm state to one hundred percent full on aggression and back again as required.
Self anchoring when successful gives us a good platform from which to transition between states.
We can often see professional sportsmen/women using this method with a physical anchor such as clenching a fist, punching the air or clapping their hands, what they are doing is anchoring a successful state by rewarding themselves with a pat on the back.
For teaching – the instructor can apply the physical anchors, something as simple as a hand on the shoulder and those two little words “well done” is enough to anchor a positive emotion that we can later illicit from memory.
Positional anchors was another aspect that Dennis covered, many educators use this method, they will stand behind a table to deliver a lecture and then move around the to the front to answer questions, they are in fact transitioning from a state of commanding authority to a more relaxed state of willingness to share the arena, we see the opposite of this with doormen when they stand back and allow a disgruntled customer to let off some steam before transitioning with an authoritive step forward and the command to move on, that step forward is the trigger/switch that will illicit emotions anchored during previous confrontations.


[Ola, Andy, Stuart, Al and Nick during the presentation]

Dennis also introduced debrief sessions after every presentation at this years international, these sessions were particularly useful for embedding the information received from each of the instructors.


Alan and Stuart with Dennis

Dave McCutcheon – Denis McGee
Strangulation.


After a short break we moved on with this excellent presentation on strangulation, beginning with the history of it’s use by different peoples throughout the ages, going as far back as the Egyptians who would strangle opponents unconscious and then knife them through the back, the Jews also used strangulation as a punishment for criminals. Another form of strangulation “the garrotte” was used as a method of execution in Spain as recently as 1974.
Dave acted as the main spokesman for this presentation while Den added the hands on practical demonstrations, usually on Steve (a willing victim).

With safe training practise in mind Dave was keen to point out that there is no evidence to suggest that any muscle groups can be strengthened to help you resist a choke, and repeatedly allowing yourself to be choked out can only be damaging, he then made sure that everyone was familiar with the tap system.
Den brought along some large foam rollers that strangles could be practised on by anyone who was not comfortable practising on another person.
This was the first practical session of the weekend and it was good to get some hands on, I always make a point of taking something from each presentation and this was no different with Den helping us with some of the finer points of a straight forward strangle, some minor adjustments that reaped major rewards.

Tony – Ian
The flow state.


Tony and Ian began this fascinating presentation with a simple solo knife drill which then became a partner drill for which we could give ourselves a mark from 1 -10.
Ian then dropped into a Derren Brown role to help each of us find our One Point and become centred allowing us to relax and almost eliminate outside influence, this allowed us to concentrate or focus on the knife drill, when we returned to physically doing the drill everyone present reported an improvement in performance.
The drill for being aware of danger and then moving onto greeting and old friend was indeed an excellent example of changing state.

Simon
Anti-grappling.


Next up was Simon who you can always rely on to come up with a good physical session and this one did not disappoint.
The focus here was on the growth in popularity of mixed martial arts training, with increasing numbers of undesirables copying (modelling) their UFC heroes and getting down the gym we are far more likely today to find ourselves facing a trained attacker.
The ground is the last place that we want to be in a street fight, Si’s drills are what we used to cal “Sutemi waza” the object being to commit yourself to the technique and going to the floor under your own terms in order to regain your feet as soon as possible.

[Giles does a superb takedown on James]

Den, then rounded the first day off with an arduous punch-out drill, followed by an end of day debrief session.

Saturday evening is traditionally the course dinner where we all head into Liverpool for a Chinese meal, this is a good chance to chat with some of your new friends and get to know one another on a social footing.

Day two (Sun 6th sept 09)

Phil
Surviving extremis


Day two began with a superb and well researched power point by Phil W – titled “Surviving Extremis”, of course the first survival technique that we all acquire is run away.
Phil’s presentation touched on some of our worst ever terror attacks such as the 2008 Mumbai shooting and bombing attacks and the attack on the World Trade Centre in 2001.
Looking at how we behave in these extreme situations and examining the way in which some exceptional individuals not only survived but were able to help others to safety by staying calm and in some cases doing very simple things such as locking doors lead us on to The Survival Arc.
One of the first things that Phil touched on in the survival arc was:-
Denial – the thought process just refuses to accept that tragedy is happening to you’
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Normacly bias leads you to fixate on the event instead of taking appropriate action.
He also described how a simple preparation such as reading the safety card on an aeroplane can lead to decisive life saving action.
He also introduced a rather salient drill for evacuating a room with and without consequence, needless to say where consequence was added the door became a bottle neck which in more dire circumstances would certainly have lead to serious injury and possible fatality.
The decisive moment at this point he was looking at :-
Panic
Physics
And Paralysis
Panic and hysteria often lead to people being crushed in a rush of bodies trying to escape the scene of disaster.
Physics takes us back to the evacuation drill, too many people trying to to access too small an opening, too quickly.
Paralysis due to fear or mental shut down often leads to someone putting either themselves or others in danger by their refusal to act.
The presentation finished with a look at what we can do to illicit better outcomes, I can’t say anything better than the three words that Phil had on screen.
Prepare, Educate, Understand.

Ola
Knife.


Ola who travels from Norway and has become a regular at Den’s seminars was next to take the stage and lead us through some knife work.
The session began with accessing your weapon, this is an area often overlooked in knife training but is an essential component of any good knife programme, importance was placed on weapon placement and the need for continuity, if the knife is always carried in the same position and trained from this position it will be far easier to access and deploy should a situation require it.
Ola also looked at the choice of knife, on the market today there is a wide range of fixed blade and folding knives, it is important that you use a knife that suits you and is fit for purpose, in the UK we must also consider the legal aspect of carrying a knife.
During the session we were encouraged to use our other striking tools to help bring the weapon into play as during an attack we may have to fend off or counter as we access our knife.
A nice tip from Ola was to keep the heel of the rear foot up to save you tripping over if you are moving backward.

Paddy
Foundation fitness.


Next up we were treated to a foundation fitness session by Paddy Phillips, Paddy in spite of having computer problems gave a great presentation, taking us through a series of exercises to improve flexibility, beginning at the ankles and working up through the body.

Paddy took time to get around the whole group helping out and offering advice wherever asked, he would bring out anyone with a particular problem and demonstrate how they could make improvements, the difference that Paddy made to peoples range of motion in a few short minutes was quite staggering.
Alas Paddy’s session was cut short due to time constraints.

Larry
Fitness equipment.


Also a victim of the time was Larry’s fitness equipment session, one thing that he did have time to show us was his Indian clubs that he had made from steel as opposed to the usual wooden ones that you can buy, Larry has a good range of exercises for working lots of different muscle groups not only with the Indian clubs but also medicine balls and sand bags.
I have seen Larry demonstrate on various occasions and would recommend anyone to pick his brains on this subject.

Pete and Simon
Scenario.


As usual the international ends with a scenario.
A serious test of fitness designed to push to the edge of physical and mental exhaustion followed by a fight against a padded assailant to finally embed the survive at all cost mindset.


Alan and Stuart with Si and Pete

A very enjoyable couple of days, pity it had to end. After many fond farewells the long journey home, during which Stuart I would deconstruct each session, sharing opinions and insights and piecing together as much as we could remember from the large cache of information that was presented over the weekend.

Alan Beckett

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 18 Sep 2009, 10:56

Great Review Al!

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 18 Sep 2009, 11:40

Many thanks Al, terrific review.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Sat 19 Sep 2009, 19:46

7th International Combatives Seminar. Organized By Dennis Martin


On a Sunday afternoon I was waiting on a warm corridor together with about 30 people most from the UK. Although most of tried to look relaxed having a nice chat and a good laugh the atmosphere felt tense. I had no idea for how long we were standing there and neither had any idea of what physical punishment I had to expect of this final drill of this year’s international seminar.

The seminar was held in the Prescot Leisure centre in Prescot Merseyside on 5 and 6 September 2009. I had travelled to Liverpool the day before. At the hotel I checked in where after I checked inside the pub if I could find anyone else that was coming for the seminar. That’s where I found Andy of the forum. Later on we met up with Dave and Chris where after Dave and Denis from Scotland came in soon followed by Ola from Norway and Alan and Stuart from Scotland. After a couple of drinks and some fun together we all went to bed.

Next morning after breakfast we travelled to the Prescot Leisure centre.

Inside the venue there was an air of excitement. I was happy to see a lot of familiar faces, and some new ones coming from Sheffield.

After everyone had paid, the course started.



NEURAL-BASED TRAINING

The course started with an intro by Den.

Den explained that the seminar theme was inspired by the minds-eye shooting program he did with Marcus Wynne the week before in Sweden. The theme would be Neuro based training.


This led into a superb presentation about how NLP can be applied for training people in Combatives. Den explained that this all started by a book called the Warrior’s edge in which the Jedi Project is described. In this Jedi project the American military experimented with NLP to enhance the performance of their shooters. Marcus Wynne did a similar research into the neural based learning and used this research for training the Federal Air Marshals in the US. Later people like Dennis Martin and Marcus distilled NLP for training in unarmed combatives.

After this and every following module Den had us to a method, adopted from the Mind’sEye Program the previous weekend in Sweden, to ensure that the material really soaked in and would have lasting value.

STRANGLES
This was followed by an excellent presentation on strangulation by Dave McCutcheon and Denis McGee from Scotland.


Dave started with a audiovisual presentation on the history of strangulation followed by some practical applications by Denis. I was familiar with what’s called the naked choke but some variations were new to me.



[Tony works on strangles with Ian]

NLP TRAINING
The next presentation was about flow and done by Tony and Ian from the Liverpool Gutterfighters. We started doing a drill with practice knives. It was going quite rusty in the beginning. After doing that with a couple of partners Tony and Ian told us to stop and give ourselves a score from one to ten one being bad and ten being good. Thereafter they asked a volunteer for doing a demonstration about one-point. As an aikidoka I felt it just had to be me and I went up there. Both Tony and Ian brought me into state while demonstrating how balanced and hard to push over I became when I attained one point. As an aikidoka I worked with one point a bit but Tony and Ian took me deeper. After this little demonstration Tony explained what Flow was according to the writer of various books on the subject Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. This to make us aware of the fact that the state of flow and one point are similar. This got us all into a group-trance work where Tony and Ian took us back to a time we were in a state of flow.

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[Steve during flow-state drills]

For me this was country-dancing, as long as I was in the ‘zone’ everything went well however as soon as I thought about the next step to take next I lost rhythm and made errors. After anchoring this state we resumed the knife drill with for me very good results.

As I did an NLP course myself I was impressed with both Tony’s and Ian’s trance work and the entire module. Well done.

COUNTER GRAPPLING
The final module of day one was done by Simon Squires and was about counter grappling. Simon explained that we look into counter grappling as today many of the for trouble looking guys do pump weights and train in mixed martial arts. This coupled with the fact that even monkeys fall out of trees and pub floors can be very slippery makes it very worthwhile to look into counter grappling.


[Si showing a ground technique]

Simon showed us some counters against some throws and grabs and some escapes from triangular neck locks and mounting positions. As it was the last module of this day Simon took us trough some very hard drills to test our resolve.



After reviewing what we had done over the day Den asked us to choose a goal for the next day.


[As usual the day ended with a Vasbyte drill. Here James keeps going despite the pain]
This ended the training of a first great day. After a drink and a chat in the hotel pub most of went to the Chinese restaurant Harbour city in town. The food was delicious, the beer was great and the waitress looked gorgeous. Arriving at the hotel I had a last pint together with Andy before going to bed for some sleep.

SUNDAY SESSION
Next day after a good English breakfast we moved to Prescott Leisure centre for day two.

IN-EXTREMISSURVIVAL
This day kicked off with a presentation by Phil W. With as subject “Run Away, some notes on surviving in extremis”. This superb presentation was built around the Survival Arc.


The arc is built up starting with Denial, everything happens always to other people. When we find out something is wrong we get into deliberation, however many people can have as many opinions which makes things confusing and fear can lead us in taking the wrong decisions. After some deliberation we get to the decisive moment. Many people panic and freeze however and will have trouble to get themselves to safety. Phil made all these steps clear by having us do a variety of experimental exercises. After this explanation he showed us a video clip of an attack in Mumbai showing people going into denial and being paralysed by fear.
After this Phil showed us what we can do to make a better chance to survive a disaster scenario.

COMBATIVE KNIFE

Next came Ola, our guest-instructor from Norway, who did a module on the use of the knife as a defensive weapon. After doing a movement drill to warm both the body and the brain up for what was going to come Ola took us through a variety of drills to learn how to access a knife under stress.


KIT & LITERATURE
After this bit of fun playing with training knives and the display of forward drive and aggression we had a little cool down while Den did an informal segment showing various recommended books and useful pieces of kit.

[Den discussing the Spyderco Assist rescue knife]

This was followed by Paddy Philips module on Functional movement assessment. Paddy explained that because of the nature what we were doing many of us were carrying injuries or would develop them over time. He told us that you can’t build fitness or skills on top of dysfunction. Paddy had us partner up and on the hand of exercises we learned to tell where our partner had a problem. Of course we also learned how to take care of the problem.



HIGH-STRESS SCENARIOS
This all led us standing there in the corridor waiting for the stress-scenario while entertaining ourselves and hiding the trepidation for what had to come. Supposed to go in one by one to get ordered around by the instructors do to a variety of gruelling drills before getting attacked by a pad man I jokingly asked a couple of people to just all go in at once battering the pad man and anyone else that got in the way. Self protection is easier when in a group isn’t it? You can get others to do the dirty work. After having a laugh about this entertaining idea and having the instructors doing a little act to get us hyped up it was my turn. After a series of exercises I was sent in, trying to orientate myself and everybody else in the room one of the instructors got in my face and again I had to do a couple of exercises. When I had finished them I got attacked... The fight was short and ended with me on top hitting the pad man in the head till I was pulled off. Out of breath I was put on a chair and debriefed by Paddy... This ended the exercise.


[Stuart fights on. During the debrief he wasn't even arare of this punch to his face, great aggressive spirit]
Thinking of what went through me reminded me of the module Tony and Ian did on flow. The feeling while in the fight was the same as doing the exercises with them. I guess this is what the samurai meant with no-mind or Mushin.

After regaining my breath I enjoyed the fights of the last couple of people having their fights. All performed very well. Well done.

After the seminar some of us went for a Chinese meal and had some great conversations about various subjects.

This ended the day for most of us.

Next morning I enjoyed a chat over breakfast with Dave and Chris before catching a train back to Manchester airport to catch my flight back home.

It was a great weekend with superb presentations, great people to train with, to eat with and to talk to. Thank you all very much.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Sun 20 Sep 2009, 07:50

Nick wrote:
After a couple of drinks and some fun together we all went to bed.

Seperately, I hasten to add.


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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Sun 20 Sep 2009, 12:01

HA!!



I wish I was there with you all - sounds like you had a great time (training that is!)


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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Tue 22 Sep 2009, 19:03

Some more photos are online here

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 23 Sep 2009, 18:34

Now that a couple of weeks have passed, have those of you who attended noticed the lessons soaking in?
It usually takes about 10 days for the neural-based material to really start to engage.
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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 23 Sep 2009, 22:15

Hi,

Yes some of the stuff soaked in, writing the review always helps as I have to go trough notes and think about it.

A little addendum to the survival in extremis paragraph. The denial we also see to come back in selfdefence in general where for example in a roadrage, someone stops to get out of the car and walks over to the other person who still thinks: 'he isn't coming over to hit me for this?' and starts hitting the other person. Like Peyton Quinn said Don't deny that it's happening.

I guess many people know something is wrong, yes there is a beggar I just refused to give money to that comes closer with his hand in his pocket and I am trapped because the trfic light is still red and there is too many cars racing trough to cross safely but probably he just is minding his own buisness and I feel a bit paranoia. Then ignore all the alarmbells and are surprised when the percieved threat actually is a real threat. Actually Gavin DeBeckers entire book the gift of fear is about this phenomenom. When something feels not right it probably isn't.

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Wed 30 Sep 2009, 11:36

More photos....


{Al finishes the fight]


[James delivers a kick]

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 02 Oct 2009, 10:43


{Big Dave versus the suit]


Giles gets in a classic Tigers Claw

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Fri 02 Oct 2009, 21:08

The quote on the t-shirt from the international - whose is it /where is it taken from?
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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Sat 03 Oct 2009, 12:21



Mark,
The quote is by George Orwell

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PostSubject: Re: 7th International Combatives Seminar, 2009 AAR   Thu 08 Oct 2009, 10:56

More suit action....



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PostSubject: info please   Mon 12 Oct 2009, 04:15

Sir
Where can I obtain some of those tee-shirts about supporting the hero's?
I would like to put them on sale at my gym and put some info about that group up.
Do I need permission to do that? please advise me.
I was sad when I saw a marine standing all alone at paddington station with a collection box for the troops and me, a Muslim being the only one who put something in there!
I had a nice chat with the lad and told him how much we appreciate his efforts and sacrifice.
The free world owes them so much.
Yet when the job is done they seem to be neglected.
All troops and police ex- and serving are welcome at my gym.
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